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Hi. I’m Art Caplan, PhD. I’m director of the division of medical ethics at the New York University Grossman School of Medicine.
Every once in a while at my school, I get referrals about interesting or difficult clinical cases where doctors would like some input or advice that they can consider in managing a patient. Sometimes those requests come from other hospitals to me. I’ve been doing that kind of ethics consulting, both as a member of various ethics committees and sometimes individually, when, for various reasons, doctors don’t want to go to the Ethics Committee as a first stop.
There was a very interesting case recently involving a young woman I’m going to call Tinslee. She was 17 years old and she suffered, sadly, from recurrent metastatic osteogenic sarcoma. She had bone cancer. It had first been diagnosed at the age of 9. She had received chemotherapy and been under that treatment for a while.
If osteosarcoma is treated before it spreads outside the area where it began, the 5-year survival rate for people like her is about 75%. If the cancer spreads outside of the bones and gets into surrounding tissues, organs, or – worse – into the lymph nodes and starts traveling around, the 5-year survival rate drops to about 60%. The two approaches are chemotherapy and amputation. That’s what we have to offer patients like Tinslee.
Initially, her chemotherapy worked. She went to school and enjoyed sports. She was a real fan of softball and tried to manage the team and be involved. At the time I learned about her, she was planning to go to college. Her love of softball remained, but given the recurrence of the cancer, she had no chance to pursue her athletic interests, not only as a player, but also as a manager or even as a coach for younger players. That was all off the table.
She’d been very compliant up until this time with her chemotherapy. When the recommendation came in that she undergo nonstandard chemotherapy because of the reoccurrence, with experimental drugs using an experimental protocol, she said to her family and the doctors that she didn’t want to do it. She would rather die. She couldn’t take any more chemotherapy and she certainly didn’t want to do it if it was experimental, with the outcomes of this intervention being uncertain.
Her mother said, “Her input matters. I want to listen to her.” Her mom wasn’t as adamant about doing it or not, but she really felt that Tinslee should be heard loudly because she felt she was mature enough or old enough, even though a minor, to really have a position about what it is to undergo chemotherapy.
Time matters in trying to control the spread, and the doctors were pushing for experimental intervention. I should add, by the way, that although it didn’t really drive the decision about whether to do it or not do it, experimental care like this is not covered by most insurance, and it wasn’t covered by their insurance, so they were facing a big bill if the experimental intervention was administered.
There was some money in a grant to cover some of it, but they were going to face some big financial costs. It never came up in my discussions with the doctors about what to do. I’m not sure whether it ever came up with the family’s discussion with the doctors about what to do, or even whether Tinslee was worrying and didn’t want her family to face a financial burden.
I suggested that we bring the family in. We did some counseling. We had a social worker and we brought in a pastor because these people were fairly religious. We talked about all scenarios, including accepting death, knowing that this disease was not likely to go into remission with the experimental effort; maybe it would, but the doctors were not optimistic.
We tried to talk about how much we should listen to what this young woman wanted. We knew there was the possibility of going to court and having a judge decide this, but in my experience, I do not like going to judges and courts because I know what they’re going to say. They almost always say “administer the intervention.” They don’t want to be in a position of saying don’t do something. They’re a little less willing to do that if something is experimental, but generally speaking, if you’re headed to court, it’s because you’ve decided that you want this to happen.
I felt, in all honesty, that this young woman should have some real respect of her position because the treatment was experimental. She is approaching the age of competency and consent, and she’s been through many interventions. She knows what’s involved. I think you really have to listen hard to what she’s saying.
By the way, after this case, I looked and there have been some surveys of residents in pediatrics. A large number of them said that they hadn’t received any training about what to do when mature minors refuse experimental treatments. The study I saw said that 30% had not undergone any training about this, so we certainly want to introduce that into the appropriate areas of medicine and talk about this with residents and fellows.
Long story short, we had the family meeting, we had another meeting with dad and mom and Tinslee, and the dad began to come around and he began to listen hard. Tinslee said what she wanted was to go to her prom. She wanted to get to her sister’s junior high school softball championship game. If you will, setting some smaller goals that seemed to make her very, very happy began to satisfy mom and dad and they could accept her refusal.
Ultimately, an agreement was reached that she would not undergo the experimental intervention. We agreed on a course of palliative care, recommended that as what the doctors follow, and they decided to do so. Sadly, Tinslee died. She died at home. She did make it to her prom.
I think the outcome, while difficult, sad, tragic, and a close call, was correct. Mature minors who have been through a rough life of interventions and know the price to pay – and for those who have recurrent disease and now face only experimental options – if they say no, that’s something we really have to listen to very hard.
Dr. Kaplan is director, division of medical ethics, New York University Langone Medical Center, New York. He reported a conflict of interest with Johnson & Johnson’s Panel for Compassionate Drug Use.
A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.
This transcript has been edited for clarity.
Hi. I’m Art Caplan, PhD. I’m director of the division of medical ethics at the New York University Grossman School of Medicine.
Every once in a while at my school, I get referrals about interesting or difficult clinical cases where doctors would like some input or advice that they can consider in managing a patient. Sometimes those requests come from other hospitals to me. I’ve been doing that kind of ethics consulting, both as a member of various ethics committees and sometimes individually, when, for various reasons, doctors don’t want to go to the Ethics Committee as a first stop.
There was a very interesting case recently involving a young woman I’m going to call Tinslee. She was 17 years old and she suffered, sadly, from recurrent metastatic osteogenic sarcoma. She had bone cancer. It had first been diagnosed at the age of 9. She had received chemotherapy and been under that treatment for a while.
If osteosarcoma is treated before it spreads outside the area where it began, the 5-year survival rate for people like her is about 75%. If the cancer spreads outside of the bones and gets into surrounding tissues, organs, or – worse – into the lymph nodes and starts traveling around, the 5-year survival rate drops to about 60%. The two approaches are chemotherapy and amputation. That’s what we have to offer patients like Tinslee.
Initially, her chemotherapy worked. She went to school and enjoyed sports. She was a real fan of softball and tried to manage the team and be involved. At the time I learned about her, she was planning to go to college. Her love of softball remained, but given the recurrence of the cancer, she had no chance to pursue her athletic interests, not only as a player, but also as a manager or even as a coach for younger players. That was all off the table.
She’d been very compliant up until this time with her chemotherapy. When the recommendation came in that she undergo nonstandard chemotherapy because of the reoccurrence, with experimental drugs using an experimental protocol, she said to her family and the doctors that she didn’t want to do it. She would rather die. She couldn’t take any more chemotherapy and she certainly didn’t want to do it if it was experimental, with the outcomes of this intervention being uncertain.
Her mother said, “Her input matters. I want to listen to her.” Her mom wasn’t as adamant about doing it or not, but she really felt that Tinslee should be heard loudly because she felt she was mature enough or old enough, even though a minor, to really have a position about what it is to undergo chemotherapy.
Time matters in trying to control the spread, and the doctors were pushing for experimental intervention. I should add, by the way, that although it didn’t really drive the decision about whether to do it or not do it, experimental care like this is not covered by most insurance, and it wasn’t covered by their insurance, so they were facing a big bill if the experimental intervention was administered.
There was some money in a grant to cover some of it, but they were going to face some big financial costs. It never came up in my discussions with the doctors about what to do. I’m not sure whether it ever came up with the family’s discussion with the doctors about what to do, or even whether Tinslee was worrying and didn’t want her family to face a financial burden.
I suggested that we bring the family in. We did some counseling. We had a social worker and we brought in a pastor because these people were fairly religious. We talked about all scenarios, including accepting death, knowing that this disease was not likely to go into remission with the experimental effort; maybe it would, but the doctors were not optimistic.
We tried to talk about how much we should listen to what this young woman wanted. We knew there was the possibility of going to court and having a judge decide this, but in my experience, I do not like going to judges and courts because I know what they’re going to say. They almost always say “administer the intervention.” They don’t want to be in a position of saying don’t do something. They’re a little less willing to do that if something is experimental, but generally speaking, if you’re headed to court, it’s because you’ve decided that you want this to happen.
I felt, in all honesty, that this young woman should have some real respect of her position because the treatment was experimental. She is approaching the age of competency and consent, and she’s been through many interventions. She knows what’s involved. I think you really have to listen hard to what she’s saying.
By the way, after this case, I looked and there have been some surveys of residents in pediatrics. A large number of them said that they hadn’t received any training about what to do when mature minors refuse experimental treatments. The study I saw said that 30% had not undergone any training about this, so we certainly want to introduce that into the appropriate areas of medicine and talk about this with residents and fellows.
Long story short, we had the family meeting, we had another meeting with dad and mom and Tinslee, and the dad began to come around and he began to listen hard. Tinslee said what she wanted was to go to her prom. She wanted to get to her sister’s junior high school softball championship game. If you will, setting some smaller goals that seemed to make her very, very happy began to satisfy mom and dad and they could accept her refusal.
Ultimately, an agreement was reached that she would not undergo the experimental intervention. We agreed on a course of palliative care, recommended that as what the doctors follow, and they decided to do so. Sadly, Tinslee died. She died at home. She did make it to her prom.
I think the outcome, while difficult, sad, tragic, and a close call, was correct. Mature minors who have been through a rough life of interventions and know the price to pay – and for those who have recurrent disease and now face only experimental options – if they say no, that’s something we really have to listen to very hard.
Dr. Kaplan is director, division of medical ethics, New York University Langone Medical Center, New York. He reported a conflict of interest with Johnson & Johnson’s Panel for Compassionate Drug Use.
A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.
This transcript has been edited for clarity.
Hi. I’m Art Caplan, PhD. I’m director of the division of medical ethics at the New York University Grossman School of Medicine.
Every once in a while at my school, I get referrals about interesting or difficult clinical cases where doctors would like some input or advice that they can consider in managing a patient. Sometimes those requests come from other hospitals to me. I’ve been doing that kind of ethics consulting, both as a member of various ethics committees and sometimes individually, when, for various reasons, doctors don’t want to go to the Ethics Committee as a first stop.
There was a very interesting case recently involving a young woman I’m going to call Tinslee. She was 17 years old and she suffered, sadly, from recurrent metastatic osteogenic sarcoma. She had bone cancer. It had first been diagnosed at the age of 9. She had received chemotherapy and been under that treatment for a while.
If osteosarcoma is treated before it spreads outside the area where it began, the 5-year survival rate for people like her is about 75%. If the cancer spreads outside of the bones and gets into surrounding tissues, organs, or – worse – into the lymph nodes and starts traveling around, the 5-year survival rate drops to about 60%. The two approaches are chemotherapy and amputation. That’s what we have to offer patients like Tinslee.
Initially, her chemotherapy worked. She went to school and enjoyed sports. She was a real fan of softball and tried to manage the team and be involved. At the time I learned about her, she was planning to go to college. Her love of softball remained, but given the recurrence of the cancer, she had no chance to pursue her athletic interests, not only as a player, but also as a manager or even as a coach for younger players. That was all off the table.
She’d been very compliant up until this time with her chemotherapy. When the recommendation came in that she undergo nonstandard chemotherapy because of the reoccurrence, with experimental drugs using an experimental protocol, she said to her family and the doctors that she didn’t want to do it. She would rather die. She couldn’t take any more chemotherapy and she certainly didn’t want to do it if it was experimental, with the outcomes of this intervention being uncertain.
Her mother said, “Her input matters. I want to listen to her.” Her mom wasn’t as adamant about doing it or not, but she really felt that Tinslee should be heard loudly because she felt she was mature enough or old enough, even though a minor, to really have a position about what it is to undergo chemotherapy.
Time matters in trying to control the spread, and the doctors were pushing for experimental intervention. I should add, by the way, that although it didn’t really drive the decision about whether to do it or not do it, experimental care like this is not covered by most insurance, and it wasn’t covered by their insurance, so they were facing a big bill if the experimental intervention was administered.
There was some money in a grant to cover some of it, but they were going to face some big financial costs. It never came up in my discussions with the doctors about what to do. I’m not sure whether it ever came up with the family’s discussion with the doctors about what to do, or even whether Tinslee was worrying and didn’t want her family to face a financial burden.
I suggested that we bring the family in. We did some counseling. We had a social worker and we brought in a pastor because these people were fairly religious. We talked about all scenarios, including accepting death, knowing that this disease was not likely to go into remission with the experimental effort; maybe it would, but the doctors were not optimistic.
We tried to talk about how much we should listen to what this young woman wanted. We knew there was the possibility of going to court and having a judge decide this, but in my experience, I do not like going to judges and courts because I know what they’re going to say. They almost always say “administer the intervention.” They don’t want to be in a position of saying don’t do something. They’re a little less willing to do that if something is experimental, but generally speaking, if you’re headed to court, it’s because you’ve decided that you want this to happen.
I felt, in all honesty, that this young woman should have some real respect of her position because the treatment was experimental. She is approaching the age of competency and consent, and she’s been through many interventions. She knows what’s involved. I think you really have to listen hard to what she’s saying.
By the way, after this case, I looked and there have been some surveys of residents in pediatrics. A large number of them said that they hadn’t received any training about what to do when mature minors refuse experimental treatments. The study I saw said that 30% had not undergone any training about this, so we certainly want to introduce that into the appropriate areas of medicine and talk about this with residents and fellows.
Long story short, we had the family meeting, we had another meeting with dad and mom and Tinslee, and the dad began to come around and he began to listen hard. Tinslee said what she wanted was to go to her prom. She wanted to get to her sister’s junior high school softball championship game. If you will, setting some smaller goals that seemed to make her very, very happy began to satisfy mom and dad and they could accept her refusal.
Ultimately, an agreement was reached that she would not undergo the experimental intervention. We agreed on a course of palliative care, recommended that as what the doctors follow, and they decided to do so. Sadly, Tinslee died. She died at home. She did make it to her prom.
I think the outcome, while difficult, sad, tragic, and a close call, was correct. Mature minors who have been through a rough life of interventions and know the price to pay – and for those who have recurrent disease and now face only experimental options – if they say no, that’s something we really have to listen to very hard.
Dr. Kaplan is director, division of medical ethics, New York University Langone Medical Center, New York. He reported a conflict of interest with Johnson & Johnson’s Panel for Compassionate Drug Use.
A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.